Anna: Ivano,tell me about yourself and your origin.
Ivano: I was born in Campotto di Argenta (Fe), in 1952 and I
lived there until 1973 in a region full of birds, fish and vegetation. Since I
lived in the countryside I had no particolar education or training. At the
primary school they noticed that I was good at drawing and at graphics. So my
parents decided to send me to the workshop
of a painter of my village, called Macuba. He was a naive artist.
Anna: What did you study?
Ivano: I attended the Academy of Fine Arts in Bologna from
1969 to 1973. There I studied sculpture, anatomy and history of art.
Anna: Looking at your works one doesn’t have the impression
that you have been inspired by traditional art.
Ivano: Well, in fact between 1972 and 1977 I was inspired by
the lessons held at the Academy by professor Flavio Caroli on arte povera and I could follow the “week
of the performance” held by Renato
Barilli in Bologna. They both impressed me a lot.
Anna: Who were the artists who inspired you at the time?
Ivano: Artists such as Mertz for what concerns arte povera and
Ontani for performances.
Anna: What happened in the years after the Academy?
Ivano: After the Academy , in 1974 I moved to Impruneta. I
lived there until 1979, and had there the time of my life. I used to lead a
Bohemian life. I lived in a former convent, together with three other families
of peasants. My companion and I lived at the top floor and I was allowed to use
the the cowshed as my studio.
Anna: At that time what kind of art did you practise?
Ivano: I think that the time spent in Impruneta has been the
most creative in my career. I used
poor objects found on the spot like stones, but also objects to be recycled like
wood branches, cartridges, eggs, feathers, newspapers, paper bags for food,
plastic bags and a whole series of
objects I was able to recycle in nature.
Anna: What kind of artistic research did you do at the time?
Ivano: I carried out a research on recycling connected to the
theme of ecology; it was ephemeral art.
Anna:
How did you use the objects? What kind of installations did you create?
Ivano: For example, in 1978 I used to collect cartridges shot
by hunters in their hides. I inserted the bottom hole of the cartridge in the
dead branches of trees. The idea was that of creating flowers, a kind of new
plant born by recycling cartridges. The title of the work was: “Don’t shoot.
Make flowers”
Anna: Interesting! Is there any other installation you would
like to mention?
Ivano: Well, I made another installation on a similar theme:
I created some cardboard letters and covered them with silver paper. I stuck
them on top of the hunters’ hides
in the area where I lived. My idea was to warn birds against hunters. In fact
according to the angulation with
which the sun rays hit the silver paper, the paper sent a reflection back,
something like a shot meaning: “Attention. Be careful!” Of course it was a
paradox , connected to the fact of communicating with animals using “letters”, a language comprehensible for man.
Anna: What is it that inspires you in creating these works?
Ivano: The idea is that of creating something that goes with
nature: so I imitated flowers and trees and that was always connected to the
theme of ecology.
Anna: The works of this period can be seen only in pictures.
Does this have a particolar meaning?
Ivano: The work in itself persisted for a short time, then it
would last only if I documented it. So, I took photographs. It was my concept of contemporary art, “ephemeral art”.
It was something I displayed for
and in the environment.
Anna:
When did you have your first public exhibition?
Ivano:
In September 1977 on the occasion of the fair in Argenta: I exhibited three installations. All of them related
to rural life. It was the first
time I could show some objects of my research.
Anna:
What happened after your first exhibition?
Ivano: I went on with my research until 1983. In that year I
settled in Florence and I had a chair as art teacher in Prato. In the five years
that followed, the impact with life in town, with its Renaissance culture, so
different from the culture and my Bohemian life in Impruneta, made it difficult
for me to go on with my research: for the first time I came across the problems
of a town, the most important of which is pollution. It was only in 1988 that I
started to make sculptures again with terracotta, wood, marble and all the other classical materials.
In 1992 I started a group for research called A.R.F. (Art Research Florence)
with the painters Dino Castelvecchi and Alberto Morelli.
Anna: Which were the works you made in that period?
Ivano: I started again to work with scraps and I abondoned
the traditional materials of sculpture. I worked with newspapers with pleasure
and I transformed them into papier-maché in order to make solid shapes.
Anna: How did you work with papiermaché?
Ivano: Not all the solids were the same. Some had the core of
plywood, others hadn’t . I covered those which had the core of plywood, for
instance cubes, with papier-maché, a pulp which I made by putting newspapers
into water in order to macerate it. When I had kneaded it and reduced
it to a pulp, I let it dry on the plywood.
Anna: What kind of emotions and sensations did your artwork
transmit to you while creating it?
Ivano: When I work with paper, I feel in touch with nature,
with trees in particolar, I can smell them. Also the colour of the paper , like
the wood of the tree, changes and turns yellow while drying.
Anna:
What happened after the experience with the group A.R.F.?
Ivano:
In 1996 I decided to use only newspapers in order to make my works and
my performances. Paper became the main material of all my following
artistic activities.
Anna:
And then? What happened after 1997?
Ivano:
I decided to dress fully in newspaper for my performances, not just with striped
paper skirts. So from 2002 onwards I have used balls of paper threads knitting and
crocheting them. In the same year,
2002,I created my first waistcoat with balls of thread made by myself by
twisting the strips of newspapers without using glue
or adding colours.
Anna:
What do you make? Just garments?
Ivano:
No, I didn’t stop with garments. In 2005
I started working in a big way making giant thread balls to be used later in
order to create tapestries ( I entitle them
“tape-stries” to underline that they are sort of memory archives). The
thread which previously was of 1 or 2 millimeters now becomes of 1 or 2
centimeters. and from these giant thread balls I create objects which are also
giant: socks of 160 centimetres, gloves of a meter and a half.
Anna:
How do you obtain colours?
Ivano:
I use the colours I find in newspapers: there I can find red, yellow and all the
colours I want. If I don’t have enough, I mix them: when you see my works you
can think of the effect that pointillists created by juxtaposing colours and
combinating them in such a way to have the perception of a different colour. The
final effect is that of a mélange “fabric”.
Anna:
You mean that there is improvisation?
Ivano:
Definitely, the same Pollock did when dripping. When I notice that there
is too much green I try and add some red or yellow in order to balance colours.
It’s a dripping with newspapers! I can immagine the way it results a
work of mine, but, until I haven’t finished it – I cannot know the result.
Anna: Do this ecological sense of yours and this expressing
your will to defend the ecological point of view depend on the experience you
lived in your childhood in touch with the countryside?
Ivano: Sure, it was the relationship I had with nature and my
native village to make me aware of ecology.
Anna:
You mean that your art takes you back to a condition of joy and serenity, to
redescovering the smells and positive sensations of your childhood?
Ivano: You ‘ve got it. When I make the thread I am often
alone and I enter a sort of meditation which brings me back to peace, to
redescover the smells of my childhood, to the wind of my walks through the woods,
totally immersed in uncontaminated nature: this is what I can find in my art.
Paper takes me back to wood and thus to trees, the smell of paper riminds me the
scents of the countryside and the wind which you can easily find in my
installations is the same I discovered when I was little. It is as if I were
symbiotic with nature and so, when I work with these materials, I get strength
and positiveness also from the memories they suggest.
Anna: What is your idea of creativity?
Ivano: I think that everybody at whichever age can be
creative. One who says ‘I am not creative’ has been deprived by society of
the means to be creative. Creativity is part of one’s happiness, it means
expressing your feelings and sensations. I want to communicate my creativity.
Anna: Can you say that your work has a didactic purpose?
Ivano: Definitely. After 2002 my performances change:
I want to communicate, teach other people what I have learned; I want to show
how to sew, how you can use the thread and crochet it. I want to help people to
find a way to communicate and express their emotions. I want to make them
understand that everybody can make things with paper by recycling it.
Anna: What do you think about the diffusion of eco-art in
national museums versus international ones?
Ivano: I’m afraid I don’t have an overall picture of the
situation, in order to be able and compare the two realities. I can just talk
about my personal experience. For instance I could exhibit my works and have a
performance consisting in a fashion show at the Stibbert Museum in Florence in
December 2006; it was a great experience. In 2008 I was invited to the Holland
Paper Biennial with 26 artists from all over the world. I was the only Italian
and I had the honour to do the performance of the opening of the Biennial at
CODA Museum in Apeldoorn. In 2009 I have received an invitation to the paper
Biennial in Lucca, but – to my surprise - I couldn’t partecipate because the
works, though in paper, had to be exposed in the open air, and as I told you, I
don’t add any chemical substance
to my works. It’s against my ecologic principles.
Anna: So, what’s your point of view on the
relationship between art and ecology?
Ivano: Well, I think that contemporary art should be
“ecologically intelligent”. Our planet needs adults who respect the
environment, who want to hand over to new generations, the
least polluted possible world. I think that an artist who uses silicone, is
polluting and therefore he is not doing a good service to mankind, even if his
works are exhibited in the most important museums in the world. Nowadays, an
artist cannot but have an ecological soul.
Firenze - Settembre
2009
Annarita Morelli
Quattro chiacchiere con Ivano Vitali